Friedrich Nietzsche

What is Eternal Recurrence? (Also Called "Eternal Return")

"This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence—even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it . . ."
From Nietzsche's book, The Gay Science', Section 341

http://knol.google.com/k/william-chapko/eternal-recurrence-expanding-the/3njbnk1fzy2yz/3#

The first main formulation constitutes the penultimate aphorism of Book Four of The Gay Science, and it runs as follows:

The heaviest weight. - What if some day or night a demon were to steal into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and have lived it you will have to live once again and innumerable times again; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unspeakably small or great in your life must return to you, all in the same succession and sequence - even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned over again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!' Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: 'You are a god, and never have I heard anything more divine.' If this thought gained power over you, as you are it would transform and possibly crush you; the question in each and every thing, 'Do you want this again and innumerable times again?' would lie on your actions as the heaviest weight! Or how well disposed would you have to become to yourself and to life to long for nothing more fervently than for this ultimate eternal confirmation and seal?

http://www.geocities.com/thenietzschechannel/diefrohl7.htm

I live in my own place,
have never copied nobody even half,
and at any master who lacks the grace
to laugh at himself—I laugh.
OVER THE DOOR TO MY HOUSE

Human beings who do not want to belong to the mass need only to stop, and not be comfortable; follow their conscience, which cries out: "Be yourself! All you are now doing, thinking, desiring, is not you yourself."...your educators can be only your liberators...

~Friedrich Nietzsche~

You can find many of his quotes here FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE: Popular Quotations

Many Blessings

What is your purpose in posting this... these quotes?
Fodder for a science fiction story?

Nameless forgive me for saying but you come across to me as someone who has very little respect for other members and there comments on this forum, I have only been a member for a short time and found everyone so friendly and respectful to each other, for me it has been a pleasure to have found this site. You seem to me so bitter and intent on wanting to mock many members responses. This is purely on my observation alone, as I said forgive me if I'm wrong, but it shows in many of your other posts too.

Vanilla2 wrote:Nameless forgive me...

There was nothing disrespectful at all (perhaps vaguely directed toward N's writing, but certainly nothing toward the poster). I ask simple honest questions.
Rather 'delicate' aren't we?
I did not 'mock' anyone.
If you don't like my peaches, simply ignore me...
'Truth' is painful, and thats what I speak.
Some are courageous, grow before it,
and some wither because they are weak.
I meant no harm.

Bye the bye, that this weak whining and personal attack is the best response that you can come up with at 58 years of age is appalling, and reinforces my despair at having good, thoughtful intelligent conversations with females!

I'll leave now, before this gets any uglier.
happy trails

Re comment: What is your purpose in posting this quote...these quotes. Thank you very much Namesless for your quick reply , as I said it was based solely on my perception of many of your posts, not just this one, and I am most certainly not speaking on behalf of any one else, I just felt the atmosphere has changed from warm to shall we say for the fun of it cooler, and yes I do have the choice as to who or what I reply to.
As for me I am quite happy for you to remain in our " rather small and obviously tight-knit 'family'. Just had to get this off my chest, as the saying goes.

Peace and Blessings.

I follow my first instict, I was right you are very disrespectful, and insulting to comment on my age.

nameless wrote:

Vanilla2 wrote:Nameless forgive me...

There was nothing disrespectful at all (perhaps vaguely directed toward N's writing, but certainly nothing toward the poster). I ask simple honest questions.
Rather 'delicate' aren't we?
I did not 'mock' anyone.
If you don't like my peaches, simply ignore me...
'Truth' is painful, and thats what I speak.
Some are courageous, grow before it,
and some wither because they are weak.
I meant no harm.

Bye the bye, that this weak whining and personal attack is the best response that you can come up with at 58 years of age is appalling, and reinforces my despair at having good, thoughtful intelligent conversations with females!

I'll leave now, before this gets any uglier.
happy trails

Nameless,
After reading your words here, I must take back what I said in "the water" thread where I said I was where you are spiritually and it was sad.
I was never where you are and your disrespect and ignorance is appalling.
You will not find doormats here on this site and you will not get the egoic fight you so strongly desire, most likely you will simply be ignored as you continue to express yourself in the manner you do. Lovingly, I might add, but ignored none the less.
I have met "you" before, on other forums in many forms, and I pray that you overcome you own weaknesses that you express so openly.
Vanilla, you are a wonderful, strong, expression of God and I honor and respect you as such. I honor all men and women equally and you don't deserve such disrespect.
Here is a quote for all your consideration.........."Don't feed the wolves"
Peace and Blessings,
WhiteShaman

Quoting: "Don't feed the wolves"
A very wise saying Indeed.

nameless wrote:What is your purpose in posting this... these quotes?
Fodder for a science fiction story?

Why do we post any quotes? Why do we post anything? I must say that each thing that is posted here is for learning, i truly cannot say what my intentions were while i posted this, but i saw a movie that mentioned Eternal Recurrence and that inspired me to add this post here with the quotes as i felt drawn to them at the time, as was posted in another post by: WhiteShaman "Life is to "unlearn" for our eternal journey" If you see something or nothing helpful in the quotes posted that is fine. One thing i have learned throughout my life is that every person i come in contact with and everything i have ever read even nature and the earth has taught me many valuable Lessons/Truths.

I would just like to add that all of us here have respect for one another. I know i have learned from many people, i have thought at one time that i knew it all, but i am always humbled. I hope i did not offend anyone here you all are wonderful and i am grateful to be a part of this community with all of you. Remember life is too short to argue about who is right and who is wrong. I have been wrong so many times in my life, that i need to remember to stay open minded and learn from everyone i meet & hopefully someone may learn from my experiences & knowledge.

Many Blessings

Nameless, im praying that you find inner peace. This is a forum for all people. The one thing this forum has as a common denominator is respect. We are all teachers and students here. Learning is the common goal. By sharing our views we gain understanding. We all respect your views and in turn ask that you respect ours.

I have understanding that the dynamic Mr. Nietzsche has had a strong spiritual background of being formed in the way of a universal Religion in which he has had a share of many more than one Religion philosophy to heart-en himself which I understand he is trying to educate as a man he is and in his origin he seems very well studied and very organized in his thoughts. I know this because he sounds here as someone with a spiritual authority like a strong influence to any being's existence.

I have worried before of the distancing from psychology and spiritual notion, but rather depends on the mercies of heart to take their resonance in every soul to accept spirituality as something coherent, so I say this knowing that the unique Mr. Nietzsche may battle this discourse according to his conscience.

I understand that 'nameless' has had a traumatic incidence in his life, would you forgive? Why 'nameless' was so sudden with a sharp edge we aren't hurt but our conscience was muscled, maybe he's scared of something - have you not thought, maybe has hasn't had very good discernment in dealings - have you not thought.

My friend Holy Ghost says -

I wrote now so you can see how I care about this, what disorder people are uncomfortable for but what order people seem fit. The writing treasure above is come from a enhanced man full of stature, I argue that it is not always correct to say that the author is always true to his nature because he may even try to correct himself in his writing trying to improve himself as he very writes his ideas because he says that evolution is key I say that he invented it from his mind and his mind may have needed to be pardoned sometime other-while. And as for you, you did great and this will help you as a person to your dealings in dealing with people's offense but just remember your heart is expanding. Goodbye.

LOL......we live and learn...
I am sorry you all got hurt
but it doesn't and didn't kill us
I'm sure Nilla knows she is loved
as for nameless maybe it was the intention
so that they could slip away as they did...
maybe the name fit the personlaity....LOL
if anyone wants one....
Nameless, had you just apologized and left it at the it's ok
but you went further and kicked yourself....Lesson Learned!

Spirit-Being wrote:What is Eternal Recurrence? (Also Called "Eternal Return")

"This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence—even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it . . ."
From Nietzsche's book, The Gay Science', Section 341

http://knol.google.com/k/william-chapko/eternal-recurrence-expanding-the/3njbnk1fzy2yz/3#

The first main formulation constitutes the penultimate aphorism of Book Four of The Gay Science, and it runs as follows:

The heaviest weight. - What if some day or night a demon were to steal into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and have lived it you will have to live once again and innumerable times again; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unspeakably small or great in your life must return to you, all in the same succession and sequence - even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned over again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!' Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: 'You are a god, and never have I heard anything more divine.' If this thought gained power over you, as you are it would transform and possibly crush you; the question in each and every thing, 'Do you want this again and innumerable times again?' would lie on your actions as the heaviest weight! Or how well disposed would you have to become to yourself and to life to long for nothing more fervently than for this ultimate eternal confirmation and seal?

http://www.geocities.com/thenietzschechannel/diefrohl7.htm

I live in my own place,
have never copied nobody even half,
and at any master who lacks the grace
to laugh at himself—I laugh.
OVER THE DOOR TO MY HOUSE

Human beings who do not want to belong to the mass need only to stop, and not be comfortable; follow their conscience, which cries out: "Be yourself! All you are now doing, thinking, desiring, is not you yourself."...your educators can be only your liberators...

~Friedrich Nietzsche~

You can find many of his quotes here FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE: Popular Quotations

Many Blessings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahiri_Mahasaya

I was this fellow in my last lifetime/incarnation, and now I am me in this lifetime/incarnation. Part of what I was is still a part of me now, but it has just changed a bit because today's world is way different than things were in the nineteenth century. If I had a message in today's world though, it would still be this one:

"Solve all your problems through meditation. Exchange unprofitable
religious speculations for actual God-contact. Clear your mind of
dogmatic theological debris; let in the fresh, healing waters of direct
perception. Attune yourself to the active inner Guidance; the Divine
Voice has the answer to every dilemma of life. Though man’s ingenuity
for getting himself into trouble appears to be endless, the Infinite
Succor is no less resourceful."


It is funny how those things happen from incarnation to incarnation. Yours was a good post and topic Spirit-Being!

Thanks for sharing the link sunmystic, i stopped there and read some and my thoughts spoke Truth to me, about where i am now in this life, i felt inspired. Reincarnation has always seemed to hold a greater awareness for myself, as i feel we experience so many things throughout our souls journey, where we go directly after this life i cannot state conclusively, but i do know it is not the end. I couldn't agree more on what you added.

sunmystic wrote:I was this fellow in my last lifetime/incarnation, and now I am me in this lifetime/incarnation. Part of what I was is still a part of me now, but it has just changed a bit because today's world is way different than things were in the nineteenth century. If I had a message in today's world though, it would still be this one:

"Solve all your problems through meditation. Exchange unprofitable
religious speculations for actual God-contact. Clear your mind of
dogmatic theological debris; let in the fresh, healing waters of direct
perception. Attune yourself to the active inner Guidance; the Divine
Voice has the answer to every dilemma of life. Though man’s ingenuity
for getting himself into trouble appears to be endless, the Infinite
Succor is no less resourceful."


It is funny how those things happen from incarnation to incarnation.

It really is amazing

Many Blessings

d-knots wrote:LOL......we live and learn... Tree Hug
I am sorry you all got hurt
but it doesn't and didn't kill us
I'm sure Nilla knows she is loved
as for nameless maybe it was the intention
so that they could slip away as they did...
maybe the name fit the personlaity....LOL
Hug if anyone wants one....
Nameless, had you just apologized and left it at the it's ok
but you went further and kicked yourself....Lesson Learned!

Well said my friend, yes we all Love Vanilla & Everyone here

Many Blessings

I learned things about Friedrich Nietzsche that I didn't know. Your original post was a gift to me.