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Post by laura ann on July 29th 2013, 11:31 am

This is not an article I wrote.. It is from a gentleman named Grazier from another forum years ago. But is an excellent teaching on this subject.. his theory is worth reading and the apostle correlation I believe to be very valid within my truths.
If it is too much I would suggest you right click and save copy as down the road you may in your journey wish to have this info.
Many time I have not been ready or as they say the timing wasn't right to be receptive to an issue or theory then become the perfect thing I needed a few years later.
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Abraham, the House of Israel, Adam and the 12 Tribes.

This is my own understanding of the Divine Mystery of the Solar God Abraham and the Household of Israel, also concerning Adam and the 12 Tribes.

PLEASE NOTE:- This is an interpretation of Divine and Celestial History and has no connection whatsoever with the Bible, Jewry, Church, Religion or the Geographical Location of Israel and its people. The terms used are of a Divine Nature, not of a physical nature and therefore they are not meant to offend anyone. Therefore if anyone does find it offensive I apologise profusely in advance because it isn't meant to offend. It is philosophical rather than religious.

The Eternal One/ Creator/Source manifests through the Sun, working through His/Her hierarchy of created Beings,- Elohim, the Gods, Angels, Planets/Stars. Sons of Gods and the Children of the Planets. When I talk of hierarchy I am not talking of governing as a manifestation of egotistical control as in physical government, I am referring to administration in the form of guidance and right living for the Divine and Celestial Realms. It is entirely non-political in concept.

Abraham (Ab-RA-ham/A-Brahm) is the Patriarch of the Sun, the Planet Soul of the Sun, administering to the whole system of the Sun, all of those in the Celestial and Angelic Realms. He is the Head of the Divine Solar Household. Isaac is closely related to Abraham and is the Head of the House of Israel, from which the twelve tribes issue in ministry and service.

The House of Israel is constituted with the Ancient Order of Solar Christs, the Gods, the Children of Israel, who minister to those that are of a lower spiritual estate than they. They in turn receive ministry and guidance, administration and direction from the Eternal One/Source/Creator through Abraham and through Isaac.

The Children of Israel descended to the Earth as Adam and the Adamic Race, the Sons of God who came to minister unto and to teach the Elder Children of the Earth. To help them in their understanding and ascension in spiritual estate and to help them on the journey back to the Eternal One/Source/Creator.

Some of the Sons of God became overcome by the Earthly senses and desires. This process is what is termed 'The Fall'.

The land that the Adamic Race dwelt in was known as The Garden of Eden, Utopia, and Atlantis.

These Sons of God were also the representatives of the twelve Tribes of Israel, which descended from the House of Israel for the purpose of ministry and service.

The twelve tribes were formed by the Elohim and constituted the twelve attributes of the Eternal One/Source/Creator.

There were actually thirteen tribes. The thirteenth was the original Adamic race before it split, which was ministered to by the Elohim.

The tribes were the Sons of Jacob and each had one of the attributes of the Eternal One/Source/Creator, each was appointed a Planetary Administrator and each was given a different aspect of service and ministry, according to their attributes. Each tribe was intimately connected with the twelve Houses of the Zodiac. They also represented stages of Spiritual awakening, understanding and attainment on the journey of ascension.

The tribes are namely, in order of stages of awakening:-

1. Reuben representing Vision
2. Simeon representing Audience/Hearing
3. Levi representing Taste/Discernment
4. Judah representing sense of Smell/Inhalation of the Sacred Breaths/Breath
5. Dan representing Balance/Equilibrium
6. Naphtali representing Fortitude/Strength through all of the preceding qualities
7. Gad represents Reason (seeking the reason why)
8. Asher represents Understanding
9. Issacher represents Fruitage
10. Zebulum represents Unification of the Powers
11. Joseph who was the Priestly One, the Crossbearer, representing the Divine Principle in the Being
12. Benjamin represents Intuition

Joseph had two sons - Manessah and Ephraim.

Manessah represents a split soul - half in the Spiritual, Celestial Realms and half in the physical Realms. This is what most of you term 'Twin Soul/Flame'. This is the reason that you will never meet your twin soul in an incarnation because your twin soul is the other aspect of you.

Ephraim was the tribe of Interpretors/Philosophers/Teachers/Administrators.

These are just my own thoughts, findings and philosophical understandings - they may not be yours, and they may not resonate with everyone - So be it, we are all different.

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Post by Guest on July 29th 2013, 12:05 pm

There are a number of variations to this teaching.The one I like is only slightly different to this one.In that instead of Sons of God it talks of the
Divine Humans which are twin souls(male-feminine) in one entity and were asked to split to into there separated souls when asked to help in earth's
development.It is generally agreed that it is an exceptionally rare occasion
for twins to meet on earth.I personally feel that when however the gods
will it .it can occur.The difficulty is the inhuman pull of love between the
 twins.This can lead to a complete disintegration of personality.Only the most strongest can handle this in the earth environment.The problem lies
in the human personality that looses all contact with its earth reality and
can become completely catatonic.
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Post by laura ann on July 29th 2013, 12:27 pm

There is a lot of reference to the TWAINS in scripture.

I did find in some research of something else I was looking for and ended up sidetracked which I must admit is easily done a reference about

being able to go to he heavenly plane.
I cant quote but can do context lol

was about if your born of a woman you cannot nor will ever reach the heavenly realm
if your born of water and I think it was ether only you will be able to ascend to the heavenly realm.
if born of a woman you can get as high as the Godly realm but only those born of water and _________ can go the final plane to live eternal.

don't know why I don't remember ever reading that before as I found it so profound but I guess timing was not right
Deb or Joans question on the guide forum made me take note of it.

But I have came to understand for myself as a truth that the Apostle correlations are very accurate .. not necessarily anything anyone needs to know to manipulate and utilize their chakras fully but a interesting bit of knowledge non the less.
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Post by Guest on July 29th 2013, 10:42 pm

Dear Laura,
How do you go about with researching these subjects ?
Have you an eidetic memory?
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Post by laura ann on July 30th 2013, 1:16 pm

No eidetic memory... I think it is more to do with something interest me or some part of me when I read or hear it then I retain some snippet of it.. like small crib notes maybe

maybe some form of consciousness awakens or something...or just I am a nosey knowledge hound lol

so when was looking for something to answer some questions I had
a scripture and series of scripture that evoked the memory of Deb or maybe Joan words.
example: the talking about how to get to heavenly plane or was it possible ..which then
sparked the memory of her question or words I had read in the few days prior..

so this in turn made me reread to find answers or even to help her with her understanding.

and to me the chakras work with the ability to transcend these planes of existing.
without them it is not possible at all.
thus the aspect of how the apostles correlate to the chakras all roll into more fragmented pieces of that puzzle book.

all small stepping stones on the path up the hill to Shambhala

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Post by Guest on July 31st 2013, 3:14 am

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Post by Arbel on July 31st 2013, 5:09 am

Very interesting and the Adamic Race comes to the surface once again



 

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Post by Guest on July 31st 2013, 6:05 am

Dear Bill
It is interesting is it not.No getting away from this idea of an Adamic race.
Only problem I am not comfortable with is the somewhat elitist exclusiveness of it.
Or am I misunderstaning something.Which is always possible.Any ideas on this?
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Post by laura ann on July 31st 2013, 9:04 am

If I understand your statement Stephen on what your calling elitist could it be what I call hierarchy levels.

Source
creator
twains
archangels
ascended masters
angels
etc etc etc..

if this is so then I hold as my truths I DO believe they exists..

I believe in the very same breathe we are all one.. yet contained within the ALL are energy bubbles of individualities.
within these bubbles to maintain civility are levels

and it may just be early and I am lost within mu own mind again....

Stephen))))) could you isolate the part you disagree the most with ?
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Post by Arbel on July 31st 2013, 11:57 am

Hi Stephen

                    I have thought about elitist also and it is difficult to put into perspective; maybe elitist is the wrong word to use.  If we think about it some are given life by God; some were given life by Yevah; others were given life by Eranus and do not forget that God the son also gave life.  I think the word evolved might be a better way to put it across by saying all who are Dhuman are very highly evolved. The other degrees of life I have mentioned are not as evolved as the Dhuman;s as these other forms of life are all at different levels of spirituality.  Don’t forget also that even those who have a lower level of spirituality can also evolve/achieve into twins and become Dhuman   

 

An interesting little point I am curious about is that it is stated we all have a spark of light within us from God.  My point is that different spirits have given life so how does the spark of light from God get into all of those who are not born direct from God or does it not get into others.   If I am correct it was mankind who taught there was a spark within us all so is it possible that spark is not within everyone as we just never know

 

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Post by Guest on July 31st 2013, 12:19 pm

Dear Laura and Bill
No disagreement at all.What concerned me was the idea that there seems to be a
ceiling beyond which only certain souls are allowed to pass.I can accept this is if the
Cosmos is in evolution and at some remote Omega point All comes together in order
to regenerate a new.
Souls are given an opportunity to renew themselves in a new and untried ways.
I see a Source constantly looking for novelty and renewal through individualization.

Before the Omega point
I feel all advanced souls can renew by merging together and reaching new thresholds of creative ability.
The Omega point is specially for allowing all individualized spirits to do this.The advanced souls of course can assistant in
all this and can take advantage to achieve new thresholds or levels of originality for the next Cosmos.
This is just a personal view point and may be completely wrong.
For me the idea of an adventurous Source willing to renew itself is more appealing than some static forever
type of cosmos.
I hope what I wrote is not too confusing
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Post by sunmystic on July 31st 2013, 12:44 pm

skfarblum wrote:Dear Bill
It is interesting is it not.No getting away from this idea of an Adamic race.
Only problem I am not comfortable with is the somewhat elitist exclusiveness of it.
Or am I misunderstaning something.Which is always possible.Any ideas on this?
Regards
Stephen

 Smile  Thumb  ! The problem with being a part of that elite (which is real) is that it comes with more responsibility. God expects more from those that are of the seed of Adam than He does from those that are not of the seed of Adam. A lot of folks will disagree with me, but God made man twice and man made man twice. The first time God made man he made man and woman and they lived wild in the world that was watered by dew. The second time God made man He made man from the dirt, and the purpose of that man was to be the caretaker of the "Garden". Because the plants and animals in the "Garden" were the plants and animals of the field, they needed to be farmed, watered, and cared for. And because Eve was made from the rib of Adam she was a clone of Adam with the purpose of being co-caretaker of the "Garden". The rest of the world was watered by dew and self maintaining and the men and women that were living in this wild lived off of the land and they did not need to "work". And man made man twice. Through genetic manipulation the first time was the part animal and part human creatures who carried the genetics of the "sons of God" which eventually ended up in Northern Europe and became the foundation for the white race; the second time man created man he created the perfect worker which eventually moved into the area of today's China and ended up being the foundation for the population of China. Those that carry the genetics of Adam are the "elite" because they were designed for a special purpose by God Himself and their first ancestors had a close relationship with God in the "Garden" and outside of the "Garden". God the Creator has always considered Adam and the seed of Adam His special project, both in a religious sense and in a genetic sense and they are the "elite" which comes with more responsibility. © 2013 sunmystic/john
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Post by laura ann on July 31st 2013, 1:45 pm

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To you has been given much... much is expected!
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Post by sunmystic on July 31st 2013, 3:22 pm

laura ann wrote:scripture
To you has been given much... much is expected!

 Smile  Thumb  !  Genetically I am mostly what the ancient Greeks called a "Pan", so not much is expected of me Smile  . I love that part! And to bring things back on topic. My chakra system is not the same as the original post.  My chakra system is of the Tree, the Earth, and the Goddess Mother. But I do thank though the seed of Adam for the gift of the worship of Father God the Creator. Because without the seed of Adam I would not know about the worship of Father God the Creator because the worship of Him is not in my genetics  Smile  and pretty much not in my soul history. john
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Post by laura ann on July 31st 2013, 4:29 pm

And to bring things back on topic
my statement was not directed nor for the purpose of direct correlation to any member of this forum.

There is/was  no person singled out  by my post.

my words were about the prior mention of Adamic race and how God expected more of them..

it is  in no way an off topic post.

the scripture popped into my head....I felt it  may in some way be related to  these expectations.


Not one other post is about an individual here....but about history, genetics, apostles, chakras and possible individual attempts at understanding.

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Post by Guest on July 31st 2013, 10:04 pm

laura ann wrote:scripture
To you has been given much... much is expected!

 Such a strange statement.Who has the expectations?

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Post by laura ann on July 31st 2013, 10:21 pm

Those that carry the genetics of Adam are the "elite" because they were designed for a special purpose by God Himself and their first ancestors had a close relationship with God in the "Garden" and outside of the "Garden". God the Creator has always considered Adam and the seed of Adam His special project, both in a religious sense and in a genetic sense and they are the "elite" which comes with more responsibility.

it was these words when I read them Stephen that made it pop into my head.
sounded so much like the elite being favored came with more responsibily...

or I should say it is how my mind at the given moment translated the words when I read it.
in a sense  was .....elite=responsibility = expectations

just sharing not saying it is so..... as the  entire teaching is so  profound is my feeble mind attempting to  process through it all.
when in actuality the only expectations in place are the  goofy ones we human place on ourselves

sorry for my injecting confusion into a really interesting  set of theories being discussed and shared ...which I lean more to with each passing day

a female mind trying to process deeper male thinking
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Post by Guest on August 1st 2013, 12:24 am

undefined wrote:
a female mind trying to process deeper male thinking

Female minds work at the speed of light.
Male minds at tortoise speed.(personal opinion)
Thanks for the complement though.It all helps
Yes I understand now.My natural inclination is always to include all and
never place one above the other.Even if the job demands 
special talents.Love to me is all in one and one in all.All are equally loved.
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Post by Guest on August 1st 2013, 1:02 am

Just a little thing on the concept behind the Omega point


Omega Point is a term coined by the French Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1881–1955) to describe a maximum level of complexity and consciousness towards which he believed the universe was evolving.

In this theory, developed by Teilhard in The Future of Man (1950), the universe is constantly developing towards higher levels of material complexity and consciousness, a theory of evolution that Teilhard called the Law of Complexity/Consciousness. For Teilhard, the universe can only move in the direction of more complexity and consciousness as if it is being drawn by a supreme point of complexity and consciousness.
I would place the spiritual planes or universes into this whole process.Also the Omega point fits somewhat into my idea that although God is immanent in His/Her creation.I have often felt He/She is working from in front of creation
just like the Omega point.
Just personal ideas.Happy to share.Take it as trivia.
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Post by Guest on August 1st 2013, 2:28 am

To add an extra level to my last past.
Is it conceivable that chakras can be operative from some
future point?

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Post by laura ann on August 1st 2013, 7:34 am

makes sense but getting over my head without thinking hard on it .

like a Zero point separation
and where they juncture..

too much in head right now to break it all down..
so backing out of this one slowly as well.lol
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Post by Guest on August 1st 2013, 7:51 am

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Post by sunmystic on August 1st 2013, 11:00 am

laura ann wrote:
And to bring things back on topic
my statement was not directed nor for the purpose of direct correlation to any member of this forum.

There is/was  no person singled out  by my post.

my words were about the prior mention of Adamic race and how God expected more of them..

it is  in no way an off topic post.

the scripture popped into my head....I felt it  may in some way be related to  these expectations.


Not one other post is about an individual here....but about history, genetics, apostles, chakras and possible individual attempts at understanding.


 Laura I was referring to myself not you. I apologize if I appeared to be finding fault with you. And nobody cares if somebody is off topic on this message board anyway, everybody is just happy that someone is just posting something. Laura I was trying to compliment you because I liked what you said, from there I was attempting to be witty about myself. Again I apologize. john
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Post by laura ann on August 1st 2013, 11:32 am

John)))))))))) no issue ..all is well
thanks for the compliment even if it did fly over my head and passed my ear..lol

thanks for taking the time to explain
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Post by sunmystic on August 1st 2013, 11:45 am

skfarblum wrote:To add an extra level to my last past.
Is it conceivable that chakras can be operative from some
future point?

 Well, in the spirit of discussion, which may or may not have anything to do with what you are presenting Smile  , there are certain logic realities where chakras can be operative from a future point. If one accepts the premise that the future is not set in stone and that the future can be changed or manipulated; and if one accepts the premise that a chakra is an energy nexus that creates and maintains a form and/or function; then in order for a future reality to happen a chakra has to form first to provide a foundation for the form and/or function of that future reality. An example of this would be "desire". Our true desires create an energy nexus (chakra) that our future realities form around to become manifested. So in that sense, in order for anything to happen an energy nexus or chakra has to precede it in time. And just for fun, if your desire creates an energy nexus that is a foundation for a future reality, and my desire creates an energy nexus that is a foundation for a future reality that is in conflict with your desire, then whoever has the strongest "will" maintains their energy nexus to create a future reality. john
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