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Post by Arbel on June 27th 2013, 11:13 am

There was only that little article and I have heard nothing at all about it ever since and more tham likely it will never see the light of day again



 

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Post by Guest on June 27th 2013, 11:52 am

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Post by sunmystic on June 27th 2013, 12:10 pm

skfarblum wrote:Yes,I see better from where you are coming. and it seems very reasonable. I had often wondered how the "I"
could see itself.Perhaps only God can do this for the "I"
So in a way I too gained an insight I had not thought of before.
Useful conversation.
Thanks
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So Stephen, what is your definition of "I"? I have always thought of "I" as being awareness that is aware of itself as an individual that is separate from other individuals. And from there how that awareness defines the difference between itself and the self of other individuals. "How the "I" could see itself?" Is an interesting metaphysical question and an interesting psychological question. Also, the third chakra above the top of one's head is the "I" chakra or energy center (the first one is "Desire" and the second one is "Will") and this "I" chakra can be defined as "all things "I"". Now as one wakes this "I" chakra up and energize it, they reach a point where they experience ""I" am God" and from there one's concept of "I" becomes significantly expanded. And if one does not carry too much psychological baggage into the experience, then their ability to manipulate creation becomes significantly expanded also. Some folks call this ""I" am God" state of awareness, which can become also a state of being, God consciousness or Christ consciousness and the point at which one has reached "Self Realization" or "God realization", depending on who you talk to. Now, at the point of the ""I" am God" awareness experience "I" does not see itself, it just sees everything else, and self becomes everything else. And just in passing, based on my experience, this ""I" am God" state of awareness that can become a state of being has nothing to do with God or Christ. It is just something that we as human entities are capable of doing on our own without God or Christ being involved unless we wish They be involved. john
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Post by sunmystic on June 27th 2013, 12:56 pm

Footnote: The Sat Mat yoga technique is based on an ancient Egyptian meditation system that wakes up the "Eye of Ra" (Actually it goes back to the days of the "Fae" long before the Egyptians). The problem is that those that are teaching it are only teaching the map and have never actually achieved the conclusion of that map. If they had, they then would be immortal and very magical. The unicorn and its horn is a legend that is based on the meditation system that wakes up the "Eye of Ra". The legend of the unicorn maintains that the unicorn because of its horn is immortal and very magical. The meditation system that the Sat Mat yoga is based on wakes up the energy centers that the horn of the unicorn represents. john

Just a little something Stephen about the yoga technique that you studied for awhile. Smile
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Post by Guest on June 27th 2013, 1:39 pm

Dear John,
Thanks for the information on Sat Mat and I am in complete agreement
with you.
With regard to the "I" and what my definition of it is.I must at this point
apologize and explain I am not quite ready to share my opinion on this.
When I am more certain I will share what has been shown me.
Nevertheless I would in general terms accept what you wrote.
What you explained very nicely in a single paragraph others have taken 500 pages to explain.
Thanks once again
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Post by Guest on June 28th 2013, 10:35 am

Dear John,
I had noticed some time back the close resemblance of Sat Mat
to the Teachings of Osiris.What you wrote about modern teachings
of Sat Mat is very true.They have corrupted the original teachings
to Guru worship which was never the original aim.
I suspect the original teachings involved the Sacred Mysteries and
initiation into these mysteries.The acolyte in order to get the initiation
had to be able at will to leave his/her body and travel to a particular
astral place where the initiation occurred.There they probably met the gods and goddesses
and were initiated by that particular god or goddess which favoured them.
Todays teachers know nothing of this.
Thanks for pointing some of this out to me.
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Post by sunmystic on June 28th 2013, 12:17 pm

skfarblum wrote:Dear John,
Thanks for the information on Sat Mat and I am in complete agreement
with you.
With regard to the "I" and what my definition of it is.I must at this point
apologize and explain I am not quite ready to share my opinion on this.
When I am more certain I will share what has been shown me.
Nevertheless I would in general terms accept what you wrote.
What you explained very nicely in a single paragraph others have taken 500 pages to explain.
Thanks once again
Stephen

 If one goes far enough into the mystic experience they reach a point where they become a pure observer looking through two lenses. There is no "I", there is no "self", there is just awareness and these two lenses. These two lenses are what is generally considered the male side of reality, the male side of the brain, and the female side of reality, the female side of the brain. The ying and the yang of what we perceive as Creation. And we do not exist in Creation, we actually exist outside of Creation and are looking into it and are experiencing it through these two lenses. Because for some reason we identify with what is being experienced through the two lenses and this experience that we identify with is what defines what is generally considered "I" and "self". In the God consciousness state you become again the pure observer looking through the two lenses without defining what is generally considered "I" and "self" because you do not identify with the experience. You are in this world so to speak, but you are not of it. And based on my experience, you can consciously allow the "supreme" observer to share your observing experience with you. My goal as a mystic is to stay in this God consciousness state as a "state of being" instead of just experiencing it as a visitor and to allow the Supreme Observer to share the experience that I am experiencing. Over time it is getting easier and I can stay longer with the Supreme Observer on board.

Stephen it is funny that you mention the Sacred Mysteries. For the last fifty years I have been trained in the Sacred Mysteries and that was never my goal as a mystic.  My goal was a close relationship with God and the Sacred Mysteries actually have nothing to do with God, they have to do with Self Realization. And it is turning out that the key to having this close relationship with God that I have been seeking is to just allow the Supreme Observer to share my observing experience. john

Footnote: So anyway guys I am trained in the Sacred Mysteries even though they have nothing to do with my goal as a mystic, so if you can form a question about them I can probably answer it. john
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Post by Guest on June 28th 2013, 12:50 pm

What you wrote is obviously based on your experience and I find it very
interesting.Do you still possess some identity? or none at all ?
About the Sacred Mysteries my mentioning of the need for the acolyte to
astral travel to a Sacred Astral place.Have you had any experience confirming
this?
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Post by sunmystic on June 28th 2013, 1:30 pm

skfarblum wrote:What you wrote is obviously based on your experience and I find it very
interesting.Do you become one with the Supreme Observer and still maintain
your identity?
About the Sacred Mysteries my mentioning of the need for the acolyte to
astral travel to a Sacred Astral place.Have you had any experience confirming
this?
Stephen
There is another world on the other side of the "lenses" (Stepping Through The Looking Glass Smile) and it is like Dorthy said in the movie, "The Wizard of Oz", "We are not in Kansas anymore Todo!" And it is like the "Allegory of the Cave", it is so different than what we live in and know now that none of it makes any sense. What you see through the "lenses" makes sense, but what you see of the world of the other side of the "lenses" makes absolutely no sense.

Yes you do become one with the Supreme Observer and you do still maintain your identity, but you are like a new born baby and have the identity of a new born baby. You are aware of your self presence and you are aware of the self presence of another. But other than that nothing else makes any sense.

Yes I have been to several Sacred Astral places over the years. I have been through the sacred journey under the roots of the "Tree", I have been to first level Heaven, I have been to the Paradise of Islam (which actually exists by the way, which I found surprising), and I have been to the world that the "Fae" went to when they immigrated from this world to the world they now live in. I have been other places also but those are the ones that stick out in my mind. john
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Post by sunmystic on June 28th 2013, 1:35 pm

Stephen it is time for you to go to bed Smile, you are staying up awful late! Love you! john
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Post by Guest on June 28th 2013, 10:31 pm

Marvelous John.
Much to think about.
Thank you so much
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Post by Guest on June 29th 2013, 7:54 am

John,were you able to think and mind-speak when united with the Supreme Observer?
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Post by sunmystic on June 29th 2013, 3:14 pm

skfarblum wrote:John,were you able to think and mind-speak when united with the Supreme Observer?
Thanks
Stephen
No, everything just makes no sense. But I think that that will change as time goes on. At this point in time I am still in the infancy stage when it comes to the world on the other side of the "looking glass", so to speak. Also I might be creating confusion here because their are two realities. One reality is when you are looking through the "lenses" as an observer. And if you invite the Supreme Observer to share the looking through the "lenses" experience with you, you can think and mind speak with the supreme observer if you wish to, but I never felt the need to, I just allowed the Supreme Observer to share the experience with me. The other reality is when you turn away from the "Lenses" and look at the world of the other side of the "looking glass", for lack of any other term. At least at the beginning of that experience you are like a new born baby and nothing makes sense. You can feel your self presence and the self presence of another, but that is it. At least so far in my experience. And the presence of the other feels very loving. Also I would like to say that this is not one of the places where you go when you die. This is the place that you go when you leave and take your body with you. john
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Post by Guest on June 30th 2013, 12:33 am

Again,very interesting stuff ,John.I comprehend what
you are writing but I have not really had a similar experience.
I would imagine because I am heading in a different direction.
For myself what I can take back from this conversation of ours
is that each soul is unique and needs to be understood from
their perspective and the least generalization one does the better.
So thanks very much and I for one would be happy to learn how you
make out in the future.
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Post by Aussiepom on June 30th 2013, 4:12 am

Like my dream last night...but that is for another topic....
Time to rest.....

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Post by Taurus20 on June 30th 2013, 1:48 pm

I believe that God is in each and every one of us! So what does God look like? He looks like you and me!
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Post by sunmystic on June 30th 2013, 2:41 pm

skfarblum wrote:Again,very interesting stuff ,John.I comprehend what
you are writing but I have not really had a similar experience.
I would imagine because I am heading in a different direction.
For myself what I can take back from this conversation of ours
is that each soul is unique and needs to be understood from
their perspective and the least generalization one does the better.
So thanks very much and I for one would be happy to learn how you
make out in the future.
Regards
Stephen

 I will be happy to learn how I make out in the future too Smile. Love you, john
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Post by sunmystic on June 30th 2013, 2:48 pm

Taurus20 wrote:I believe that God is in each and every one of us! So what does God look like? He looks like you and me!

 Like Stephen said, we all explore God in our own way. And I believe that that is the way that it should be. love, john
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Post by Aussiepom on July 1st 2013, 2:32 am

God?   For all I have read so many versions regarding God,I still regard my God as the God in the bible.

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Post by sunmystic on July 1st 2013, 10:52 am

Aussiepom wrote:God?   For all I have read so many versions regarding God,I still regard my God as the God in the bible.

Praying 

Joan

 Me too Joan Smile. I have studied a lot of other different versions, but the God of Abraham in the Christian scripture is the one that I worship. I really never set out to be a Christian mystic or a yogi mystic. I studied the Christian bible and then studied the Hindu yogi stuff, and after thousands of hours and over fifty years of meditation and contemplation I ended up a Christian yogi mystic, for lack of any other term. And what is funny is that what I have spent most of my life doing has no value to others and only has value to me. And that was honestly unexpected Smile. Folks do not need to do what I did, simple faith and simple love with acts of kindness and compassion is really all that anyone needs to know to walk with God. Love, john
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Post by Guest on July 1st 2013, 11:01 am

"Folks do not need to do what I did, simple faith and simple love with acts of kindness and compassion is really all that anyone needs to know to walk with God". 

Very nice John.I really like your sentiments

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Post by sunmystic on July 1st 2013, 11:25 am

Thank you Stephen Smile. All paths lead to God, it is just some of them are really roundabout ways of doing it Smile. I love that part. john
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Post by sunmystic on July 1st 2013, 11:27 am

You know Stephen, your new avatar picture lights up the "I" (self present) chakra Smile  and shows exactly where it is at. john
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Post by Guest on July 1st 2013, 11:38 am

I wondered what that golden globe was above the head of Isis.
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