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Post by Aussiepom on April 3rd 2013, 11:08 am

The difference between the old type of spiritualism and the new type now.

What do you consider the difference between the two?

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Post by Taurus20 on April 4th 2013, 3:34 pm

I really don't know the difference except when I use to think of spiritualism I always thought of witches and occult but now I think of Gods and Angels.

I really didn't think of old and new I just attributed to the fact that I didn't know about the beliefs of spiritualism until almost 3 years ago when I started on my journey. Hugs
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Post by Aussiepom on April 5th 2013, 4:59 am

Not sure myself exactly where the difference is or where the cutoff level begins.
Whether it begins from the recent years or from the 1920's,just not sure.
1920's is where all the well known mediums came in. Like Helen Duncan etc.

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Post by sunmystic on July 3rd 2013, 1:18 pm

It seems to me that the difference between the old and the new is that the new is made up of cobbled together pieces of the old. It seems to me that a lot of the old stuff was just plain non functional, so people have come up with lots of different ways to fix it. And now that "everybody" can come up with a version and promote that version on the internet internationally as truth and fact, the concept of new spiritualism can become a mess if one is attempting to sort things out. And because there are so many people out there that are interested, if a person can come up with something different that attracts the interest of a fraction of those people, there is money to be made. So this results in a lot of the new spiritual stuff being a gimmick to make money. It is a jungle out there and most of it is just poetry, BS so to speak, to catch your eye so that you will buy their book and maybe become their follower which then makes them "more" money. Interesting topic Joan Smile. "You can't see the forest for of the trees." "A voice in the wilderness." "If people only knew, it would be a different world." "Send your donation to help us spread the word." Joan, I am probably the worlds greatest living mystic and if anybody ever took me seriously I would never ever have any peace and quiet again. People are crazy Smile  one is way better off if they stay way under peoples radar. The new spiritual is a money making jungle that is 5% fact and 95% gimmick and let the buyer beware. One man's opinion Smile  . john xxx
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Post by Aussiepom on July 3rd 2013, 2:23 pm

sunmystic wrote:It seems to me that the difference between the old and the new is that the new is made up of cobbled together pieces of the old. It seems to me that a lot of the old stuff was just plain non functional, so people have come up with lots of different ways to fix it. And now that "everybody" can come up with a version and promote that version on the internet internationally as truth and fact, the concept of new spiritualism can become a mess if one is attempting to sort things out. And because there are so many people out there that are interested, if a person can come up with something different that attracts the interest of a fraction of those people, there is money to be made. So this results in a lot of the new spiritual stuff being a gimmick to make money. It is a jungle out there and most of it is just poetry, BS so to speak, to catch your eye so that you will buy their book and maybe become their follower which then makes them "more" money. Interesting topic Joan Smile. "You can't see the forest for of the trees." "A voice in the wilderness." "If people only knew, it would be a different world." "Send your donation to help us spread the word." Joan, I am probably the worlds greatest living mystic and if anybody ever took me seriously I would never ever have any peace and quiet again. People are crazy Smile  one is way better off if they stay way under peoples radar. The new spiritual is a money making jungle that is 5% fact and 95% gimmick and let the buyer beware. One man's opinion Smile  . john xxx

 
...and a good opinion as well,John.  it is good to hear another's version of spiritualism.    It is the same here in the UK.
One medium vying with another.   Who is the best between the two.... 
Most liked in the UK I think....Colin Fry.   I visited him about 2 years ago at a performance in Bedford UK.
Excellent medium.   We didn't receive any messages but he was worth listening to.    
Another one is Tony Stockwell.   
Off to have a late tea.....will continue later,John....will more information....Wave 

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Post by Aussiepom on July 3rd 2013, 2:59 pm

Back!  A quick sandwich was enough,I was starving,never been fed since lunchtime....Duh 

I could name many good mediums in the UK.    The best medium of the lot was an amature medium called Philip Kinsella.
He used to do private readings for £20 plus a tape.
He brought my husband through with much information which proved to me,it was him.

Some of the old mediums from long ago were thought to be the best.  Physical mediumship is practised now but only in private circles.  There is a lot of doubt whether this is genuine or not.   
But we only have their words that it is.    I would like to see a demonstration myself.....

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Post by sunmystic on July 3rd 2013, 4:45 pm

Aussiepom wrote:Back!  A quick sandwich was enough,I was starving,never been fed since lunchtime....Duh 

I could name many good mediums in the UK.    The best medium of the lot was an amature medium called Philip Kinsella.
He used to do private readings for £20 plus a tape.
He brought my husband through with much information which proved to me,it was him.

Some of the old mediums from long ago were thought to be the best.  Physical mediumship is practised now but only in private circles.  There is a lot of doubt whether this is genuine or not.   
But we only have their words that it is.    I would like to see a demonstration myself.....

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 I do not know much about those kind of mystics. I know that they exist and that there are a lot of them that are real. I have met some of of them on the internet, but I have never met one that was more psychic than I am. My focus as a mystic has been in a different direction than that. It has been more along the lines of exploring the metaphysical physics of creation and of God. I have visited with the spirit world and and other so called worlds, but mostly I am attracted to the physics aspect of metaphysics. Joan I think that you and I are talking about two different aspects of the mystic realm, which is ok. I can talk about the mystic realities that you are familiar with, it is all of interest to me. Do you have any websites of your favorite mystics so that I can have a look at what they say about things? Mystic mediums and spiritualists play a big part in a lot of peoples lives. And having a look at those that catch your interest would be interesting to me. john
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Post by Aussiepom on July 3rd 2013, 5:21 pm

sunmystic wrote:
Aussiepom wrote:Back!  A quick sandwich was enough,I was starving,never been fed since lunchtime....Duh 

I could name many good mediums in the UK.    The best medium of the lot was an amature medium called Philip Kinsella.
He used to do private readings for £20 plus a tape.
He brought my husband through with much information which proved to me,it was him.

Some of the old mediums from long ago were thought to be the best.  Physical mediumship is practised now but only in private circles.  There is a lot of doubt whether this is genuine or not.   
But we only have their words that it is.    I would like to see a demonstration myself.....

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 I do not know much about those kind of mystics. I know that they exist and that there are a lot of them that are real. I have met some of of them on the internet, but I have never met one that was more psychic than I am. My focus as a mystic has been in a different direction than that. It has been more along the lines of exploring the metaphysical physics of creation and of God. I have visited with the spirit world and and other so called worlds, but mostly I am attracted to the physics aspect of metaphysics. Joan I think that you and I are talking about two different aspects of the mystic realm, which is ok. I can talk about the mystic realities that you are familiar with, it is all of interest to me. Do you have any websites of your favorite mystics so that I can have a look at what they say about things? Mystic mediums and spiritualists play a big part in a lot of peoples lives. And having a look at those that catch your interest would be interesting to me. john

 Have pm'd you with a site you might enjoy,John....if anyone else interested,please let me know....
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Post by Aussiepom on July 4th 2013, 7:50 am

Will have another look for you,John....Very Happy
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Post by Taurus20 on July 8th 2013, 8:02 am

JOan, I would be interested in looking at the site too! Please PM me the information. Glad to see you on the site I referred you too, it is so interesting isn't it?Hugs
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Post by Guest on July 8th 2013, 8:09 am

and me to Joan

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Post by sunmystic on July 8th 2013, 11:34 am

Well guys this the the website that is being shared: http://www.spiritualinspiration.org/ and where everybody seems to have gone. Joan's user name is SpiritVoices and I am sure that she would be happy to show you around should you wish to visit. The message board on above website is also slowing down. The problem with theme message boards is that folks run out of things to say, so they go somewhere else so that they can say their things to somebody else that is new. I personally have become dedicated to this message board, I didn't use to be that much, but things have now become interesting. It is becoming a place for a fresh start. A creative challenge if you wish. So until Spirit Being shuts this message board down I am not leaving it. This whole thing has become way too cool in an interesting way! sunmystic Smile
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Post by Guest on July 8th 2013, 12:12 pm

The interesting thing about mysticism is that it can
give the practitioner that certainty of that one can never
be separated from our source.
It is a deep intuitive knowledge that separation is
just not possible.
There are infinite ways to learning this and each finite sentient is their
own way.
I suspect that feeling of separateness and ignorance of who one is  are linked.
Mysticism helps to reduce the ignorance and thus the feeling of separateness is reduced.
Modern Spiritualism or the NDE or OBE experiences can also do this but for myself I
stick to mysticism.
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Post by Aussiepom on July 8th 2013, 12:27 pm

sunmystic wrote:Well guys this the the website that is being shared: http://www.spiritualinspiration.org/ and where everybody seems to have gone. Joan's user name is SpiritVoices and I am sure that she would be happy to show you around should you wish to visit. The message board on above website is also slowing down. The problem with theme message boards is that folks run out of things to say, so they go somewhere else so that they can say their things to somebody else that is new. I personally have become dedicated to this message board, I didn't use to be that much, but things have now become interesting. It is becoming a place for a fresh start. A creative challenge if you wish. So until Spirit Being shuts this message board down I am not leaving it. This whole thing has become way too cool in an interesting way! sunmystic Smile

 Thanks John for giving the link.    Didn't have time this morning.   So here I am.   
I never give up a site.   i am on here and two more.    I always keep my sites going.   So many sites have failed over the last few months,it is heartbreaking.   Good spiritualist sites.        
Stephen,you are on that site....Very Happy 

I have many friends on both sites.....
Be glad to see you all on both sites.  Let's have a 'go' at the lifting the true spiritual spirit back where it belongs.

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Post by Guest on July 8th 2013, 1:08 pm

I do feel like John about this site.I very seldom post elsewhere.
The problem with Modern Spiritualism is that there is a paucity  of mystics 
coming through.In the Gaelic Manuscripts of Stewart White,
Gaelic mentions that the mystic approach is only for the specialist and 
for the few but adds it is a genuine way which brings definite results.
The so called "advanced souls" teachings like Silver Birch do not measure
up to well  to the teachings of some mystics.One example being Dr Murdo Macdonald-Bayne.
Who maybe is still teaching his brand of the "via negativa" in the astral.
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Post by sunmystic on July 8th 2013, 1:09 pm

skfarblum wrote:The interesting thing about mysticism is that it can
give the practitioner that certainty of that one can never
be separated from our source.
It is a deep intuitive knowledge that separation is
just not possible.
There are infinite ways to learning this and each finite sentient is their
own way.
I suspect that feeling of separateness and ignorance of who one is  are linked.
Mysticism helps to reduce the ignorance and thus the feeling of separateness is reduced.
Modern Spiritualism or the NDE or OBE experiences can also do this but for myself I
stick to mysticism.
Stephen

 Well said Stephen! The thing about true mysticism is that it is direct contact and a "one on one" experience with the "Unknown". There is nobody telling you what you have to do and there is nobody telling what you have to be. There is just you and the "Unknown" in a sink or swim reality Smile  . True mysticism is the ultimate freedom and the ultimate challenge, both at the same time. One's only true limitations are the stops that one puts for one reason or another on one's self. Separation only appears possible in one's own mind. But as you said Stephen, the reality of the "Unknown" can not actually be separated from, it can only be explored to understanding. john
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Post by sunmystic on July 8th 2013, 1:16 pm

skfarblum wrote:I do feel like John about this site.I very seldom post elsewhere.
The problem with Modern Spiritualism is that there is a paucity  of mystics 
coming through.In the Gaelic Manuscripts of Stewart White,
Gaelic mentions that the mystic approach is only for the specialist and 
for the few but adds it is a genuine way which brings definite results.
The so called "advanced souls" teachings like Silver Birch do not measure
up to well  to the teachings of some mystics.One example being Dr Murdo Macdonald-Bayne.
Who maybe is still teaching his brand of the "via negativa" in the astral.
Stephen

 Stephen you are fun Smile  ! Thank You Good Post The world is full of people that tell you how it is, but with mysticism you can go have a look for yourself how it is. And then if you wish, decide for yourself how it is. Smile  john
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Post by Guest on July 8th 2013, 1:18 pm

I agree entirely John and thank you for your expanding on the subject.
You explained things much better than I.Our intents are the same.
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Post by sunmystic on July 8th 2013, 1:40 pm

Aussiepom wrote:
sunmystic wrote:Well guys this the the website that is being shared: http://www.spiritualinspiration.org/ and where everybody seems to have gone. Joan's user name is SpiritVoices and I am sure that she would be happy to show you around should you wish to visit. The message board on above website is also slowing down. The problem with theme message boards is that folks run out of things to say, so they go somewhere else so that they can say their things to somebody else that is new. I personally have become dedicated to this message board, I didn't use to be that much, but things have now become interesting. It is becoming a place for a fresh start. A creative challenge if you wish. So until Spirit Being shuts this message board down I am not leaving it. This whole thing has become way too cool in an interesting way! sunmystic Smile

 Thanks John for giving the link.    Didn't have time this morning.   So here I am.   
I never give up a site.   i am on here and two more.    I always keep my sites going.   So many sites have failed over the last few months,it is heartbreaking.   Good spiritualist sites.        
Stephen,you are on that site....Very Happy 

I have many friends on both sites.....
Be glad to see you all on both sites.  Let's have a 'go' at the lifting the true spiritual spirit back where it belongs.

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 Well Joan, I am "staff" and it would have not exactly been the thing for you to do. In my mind if a person does not want to be here, then they should go do something else. There have been times I did not want to be here and I gave myself a time out. But because I do not really want to be anywhere else, I always came back. Some folks would even claim that I am the problem on this message board. Maybe? Personality conflicts are always a challenge whenever anyone attempts to maintain a successful message board or any social group for that matter. Tis the nature of the beast. And if one is capable of learning from an experience, then they come back and do things differently. And sometimes they keep at it until they get it right. In my mind if I get upset at somebody then it is a weakness on my part that needs to be solved. The solve is the challenge. Anyway Joan, I am glad that you are I are friends and that you are a part of this message board. Love and xx, john
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Post by sunmystic on July 8th 2013, 1:45 pm

skfarblum wrote:I agree entirely John and thank you for your expanding on the subject.
You explained things much better than I.Our intents are the same.
Thanks
Stephen

 Stephen, you have caused me to think about things that I have never thought about and to think about things in ways that I have never thought about. The best that I can say is Thank You  from the heart! john
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Post by sunmystic on July 8th 2013, 1:53 pm

And Stephen, if I understand your time zone correctly your are up awfully late Smile  ! You are loved! john
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Post by Guest on July 8th 2013, 10:10 pm

Dear John,
Thank you for your kind words.I am delighted that I am the cause
of you thinking along different lines.You do the same for me.
No I was not up late.I usually log out about 8 pm my time as
I go to bed early and then get up about 4 am my time.
I am not sure how this relates to your time.
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Post by sunmystic on July 9th 2013, 10:27 am

Ok Stephen :)I will quite worrying. And I guess that I need to work on my time zone figurings. Love, john
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Post by mia on July 25th 2013, 7:57 am

Interesting conversation!
I too am a member of SI, but hardly ever go there.

About spiritualism .... my thoughts are, it means something different to everyone.
To me it covers mediumship, soul rescue, healing, 'ghost hunting' (which I completely disagree with) and inner work.

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Post by Aussiepom on July 25th 2013, 10:40 am

I think the most interesting is Physical medium if it can be proved...
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